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    Discipline

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    Artist: King Crimson
    Label: Discipline Us
    Category: Music

    List Price: $15.98
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    Avg. Customer Rating: 5.0 out of 5 stars 24 reviews
    Sales Rank: 6697

    Media: Audio CD
    Discs: 1
    Shipping Weight (lbs): 0.2
    Dimensions (in): 5.6 x 5 x 0.5

    MPN: 670508
    UPC: 633367050823
    EAN: 0633367050823
    ASIN: B00064WSNW

    Release Date: November 22, 2004
    Availability: Usually ships in 1-2 business days

    Tracks:

      • Elephant Talk
      • Frame by Frame
      • Matte Kudasai
      • Indiscipline
      • Thela Hun Ginjeet
      • The Sheltering Sky
      • Discipline
      • Matte Kudasai

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    Customer Reviews:   Read 19 more reviews...

    5 out of 5 stars '80s band creates their own masterwork.   November 5, 2005
     41 out of 42 found this review helpful

    Several years after the band broke up, Robert Fripp resurrected King Crimson, but in a way no one would have expected. Returning was drummer Bill Bruford, and joining was bassist/stickist/backing vocalist Tony Levin and one of the few who could stand next to Robert Fripp holding his chosen instrument and not look inept, guitarist/vocalist Adrian Belew. Originally a band called Discipline, Fripp realized this was King Crimson and renamed the band. Wrapped in a red sleeve with a Celtic knot on the cover, this album is in many ways as the cover implies-- intertwining and interlocking-- Fripp and Belew's guitars play complex lines that live with each other and don't stand without each other, supported by Levin's thunderous bass and melody vs. countermelody playing on the stick. Below all of this, Bruford is easily holding it all together. The album is one of the true greats of its era, and is certainly among the best Crimson has ever recorded.

    From the opener, "Elephant Talk", you know you're in for something different-- Levin's melody/countermelody intro overlayed with two intertwined guitars, elephant squeals on guitar, a half-spoken vocal, and two bizarre guitar solos. Five minutes later, you're overwhelmed, what's amazing is that its got a groove, its a great rhythm, its just plain amazing.

    The rest of the album pretty much follows suit in terms of being brilliant to the point of overwhelming while the environment and the mood changes-- interlocking guitars rule several of the songs (the breathtaking "Frame By Frame", with impassioned vocals and some of the fastest guitar licks you'll ever hear, the frantic "Thela Hun Ginjeet", and the title track-- an instrumental where you can really hear Fripp and Belew get into a groove). These are offset by a couple great ballads ("Matte Kudasai", with its beautiful slide guitar seagulls and an almost lazy feel to the vocal, "The Sheltering Sky", featuring a horn-toned Fripp guitar melody). In the middle of all of this is a piece that sounds like it would fit the last generation of Crimson better-- "Indiscipline". Building tension until the release-- an explosion of guitar pyrotechnics and a blazing solo that almost seems out of place here, but works.

    Something of note-- this is NOT a progressive rock album (in terms of the genre)-- in fact, its got more in common with new wave acts like the Talking Heads and the Police than it does with Yes and early Genesis. One of the reasons why I love Crimson so much is unlike many of those other progressive rock bands, they didn't stand still, they grew and changed and became something else over time.

    Bottom line though-- this is one of the greats, highly recommended.



    5 out of 5 stars A New, Brilliant (And Controversial) Crimson   April 2, 2006
     16 out of 17 found this review helpful

    After the release of 1974's "Red," King Crimson guitarist/leader Robert Fripp declared to the press, "King Crimson is over. Forever and ever." But seven years later, Fripp changed his mind and resurrected the band. Hooking up again with Crimson drummer Bill Bruford, and with new recruits Adrian Belew on guitar and vocals and bassist Tony Levin, King Crimson came roaring back to life with 1981's "Discipline." But this was certainly not the same Crimson of yor. You still had Fripp and Bruford from the classic Crimson line-up, but with the addition of Belew's soaring voice & frenetic guitar, Levin's ominous basslines, and a more streamlined approach to the music---including some more melodic elements than usual from Crimson---the band's sound was practically re-written from scratch with "Discipline." And some fans didn't like it, dismissing this version of King Crimson as "The Adrian Belew Band." But, for the more open-minded Crimheads, "Discipline" was exciting and fresh, a glorious new direction for this classic prog-rock band. And I agree. Even with more melodies, the band are still very much in a prog mode on this album. They didn't go pop. It's just *different* prog music than what they did before. From the great, interlocking grooves & sonics of "Elephant Talk," to the wistful beauty of "Matte Kudasai," to the frantic musical AND lyrical attack of "Thela Hun Ginjeet," to the hypnotic sounds of the instrumental "The Sheltering Sky," this album is simply amazing, the musical chemistry between Fripp, Bruford, Belew and Levin outstanding. With "Discipline," King Crimson opened the second chapter of their impressive musical career with a daring, challenging, powerful work. This is easily one of the band's very best albums.


    5 out of 5 stars "Pure Music"   October 20, 2006
     11 out of 12 found this review helpful

    My first exposure to the 80's incarnation of King Crimson was in the early 80s when I bought Beat after seeing and MTV News bit about how the classic progressive rock group had defied history by maintaining the same lineup for two albums in a row.

    I probably just lost a lot of you with a sentence that seems incoherent but yes, at one time MTV did acknowledge a wide variety of music. Bear with me.

    Raised on FM radio and just beginning to scratch the surface of prog rock with Rush I was thoroughly underwhelmed by King Crimson's effort which sounded poppy and more than a little like Talking Heads.

    Fast forward 20 years and I had read glowing reviews of Discipline, the KC album recorded prior to Beat. I decided to give it a listen.

    I was thoroughly amazed.

    Discipline is almost transcendent- it not only captured what was happening in music at that time but looked forward to what music could become as well as standing as an example of what King Crimson as a band is all about.

    If you want to understand Yes, listen to Close to the Edge.
    If you want to understand Rush, listen to Moving Pictures.
    If you want to understand King Crimson, listen to Discipline.

    When you have soaked this record in you may say to yourself, "I just heard pure music- music that exists outside time."

    Or you may say to yourself, "I know why Bill Bruford left Yes to be a part of this."

    Or you may say to yourself, "I know why Robert Fripp told Bruford after Close to the Edge, 'I think you are ready for King Crimson now.'"

    Or you may find yourself paraphrasing the words of the protagonist of Indiscipline:

    I do remember one thing.
    It took hours and hours but..
    By the time I was done with it,
    I was so involved, I didnt know what to think.
    I carried it around with me for days and days..
    Playing little games
    Like not listening to it for a whole day
    And then... listening to it.
    To see if I still liked it.
    I did.

    In short, this album is King Crimson at their finest: less a band than a laboratory to create music that defies definition as it hits you on the intellectual, emotional and visceral levels.

    Buy it.



    5 out of 5 stars Still genre defying   August 17, 2005
     9 out of 10 found this review helpful

    "Court of the Crimson King," "Lark's Tongue in Aspic" and "Starless and Bible Black" may define the "classic" King Crimson, but "Discipline" has to be high tide for Fripp's creativity, inspiration, musicianship and genius.

    This disc only qualifies as prog-rock because, even after all of this time, there isn't a genre it comfortably fits in. Fripp had just completed groundbreaking collaborations with Eno and Bowie, as well as work with Peter Gabriel. Out of that experience he created a very personal distillation of the most exciting elements of African poly-rhythms, new wave esthetics, minimalism and Berlin electronica filtered through his own neo-classical approach, and the result of that was two absolute masterpieces (his solo album "Exposure" and the reinvented King Crimson's "Discipline").

    "The Sheltering Sky" is a timeless gem. Part soundscape, part ambient piece, part improvisational instrumental, this piece creates a sound world I could stay inside for another 20 minutes without tiring of.

    "Discipline" combines Steve Reich style minimalism (in fact, this track reminds me of the best aspects of Reich's "Drumming" but is far more pleasurable listening) with rigid classical structure weaving in and out of a bed of African poly-rhythms.

    "Indiscipline" is more amusing when you know that the bizarrely cryptic lyrics are in fact a letter Belew's wife wrote to him describing a sculpture she completed while he was away recording.

    As great as this CD is, it has some weak spots. Belew's guitar on "Elephant Talk" sounds more novelty than clever with 30 years of perspective. Up against the rest of the tracks, "Frame by Frame" feels more like filler now. And the song's lyrics don't quite match the brilliant musicianship on "Matte Kudasai."

    If you want one album to represent King Crimson in your collection, choose one of the three "classic" albums. But if you want King Crimson at their most inventive, get this one.



    5 out of 5 stars Shivers for the Rest of Your Life--Guaranteed   July 6, 2006
     4 out of 6 found this review helpful

    If you listen with your ears and mind open, that is. I swear, anyone who has ANYTHING even slightly uncomplementary to say about this album has wax in their ears, is mentally off, or a combination of the two. Everything about this album is perfect from the amazing guitar interplay of Fripp, Belew, and Levin to the provocative, deft, and meaningful lyrics of Belew. The album starts off with a lazy, dissonant vamp that quickly evolves into hyperkinetic proportions and there is no getting off of this ride after that point. "Talk, it's only talk," Belew starts, going into an alphabetical catalog of different kinds of talk: "dialogue, duologue, dissension, declamation, double-talk, double-talk," he intones as he and the band weave a hypnotic electric/electronic soundscape. Everything is firing so well here that drummer nonpareil Bill Bruford manages to make electronic drums stunning, of all things. The only other drummer I can think of to do this is jazz giant Jack DeJohnette.

    Man, I could write my dissertation on this album. But if I do that, I'll never write my real dissertation. So the skinny on the rest. "Frame by Frame": "in your eyes, in your eyes, analysis," Belew's central lyric here, pretty well sums it up. In other words, you can't completely sum this song up, as well any of the others here; they do what Flannery O'Connor said good fiction should: it defies paraphrase. You sit there and marvel at the infinite web Fripp and Co. have created, more limitless than any that Fripp & Co. wove on any album before or since, as another reviewer here (along with Fripp) suggests.

    "Frame by Frame" continues the angular contours set out in "Elephant Talk," but these let out on the unabashedly lyrical "Matte Kudasai." On display here are Belew's loving lyrics that surge and swell like the real thing, somehow managing never to be sentimental or hackneyed ("a miracle"!), a trait that he, unlike any other Crimso vocalist, in my opinion, had never fully possessed before him. This stunning vocal and lyrical performance is backed by an appropriately surging and swooping instrumental performance.

    Next is the song that hooked me for life when I was fourteen and has never ceased to entertain vigorously in the hundreds of times I have listened to it in the two decades since. "Indiscipline" is, in short, a postmodern paranoid masterpiece, certainly no less than "21st Century Schizoid Man." Belew shares a monologue about an object he is obsessed with ("the more I look at it, the more I like it,/ I do think it's good [. . .] no matter how I take it apart/ It remains consistent"); alas, we never find out exactly what it is ("I wish you were here to see it," Belew snorts). We are led to surmise that this object is his consciousness, making this song perhaps the most successful musical conception of the Beckettian Unnamable (or Cartesian cogito) that there has ever been.

    Aaaahhhhh . . . and then "Thela Hun Ginjeet." A swelling sung intro that leads into a tape recording of an interview with a young man who went into a "dangerous place." The instruments snarl and are strummed frenetically like in the previous song, creating a sort of pre-industrial thrum; again, completely appropriate to the paranoid inner-city setting of the piece. The moods fluctuate unpredictably and deftly here, from a tribal sort of collective expression in the sung portions to an insular feel in the found-sound sections.

    "The Sheltering Sky" is a meditative instrumental piece that highlights Frippertronics and the emerging world music influence on what I am going to call post-prog (think about it, this isn't the prog of "Court of the Crimson King" or ELP's "Karn Evil 9"; this is prog with new wave and punk influences [more of the rough stuff!!!] , world music: in other words it has moved past prog's original parameters--largely classical- and jazz-inspired--and along with and into history . . .). Bruford's restrained percussion here is also noteworthy.

    The CD ends with "Discipline," another instrumental piece, bringing the whole transcendent ordeal full circle with mind-reeling mathematical patterns that tame the shrieking excesses of the songs constellated around "Indiscipline." No band does math rock as effectively, provocatively, and intellectually as this. Hell, they move you emotionally as they do it, something few other technically-oriented bands can do. It's due to Belew's lyrical genius, in contradistinction to less successful Crimso leaders of yore, and how that translates into each and every band member's playing.

    In short, buy this now. If you've yet to hear this, you have a lifetime of shivers up and down your spine to catch up on. A masterpiece that no one can claim to have topped . . .



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