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Genesis Box Set 3 (1970-1975)[13 Disc Set] | ![Genesis Box Set 3 (1970-1975)[13 Disc Set]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NbbZf61DL._SL500_.jpg)
| Artist: Genesis
Label: Rhino Records
Category: Music
List Price: $139.98
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Rating:  52 reviews
Sales Rank: 442
Format: Box Set, Original Recording Remastered
Media: Audio CD
Discs: 13
Shipping Weight (lbs): 2.4
Dimensions (in): 6.2 x 5.6 x 5
MPN: 513924
UPC: 081227990305
EAN: 0081227990305
ASIN: B001EO2UJK
Release Date: November 11, 2008
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Condition: Factory Sealed
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| Tracks:
Disc 1
| • | Looking For Someon | | • | White Mountain | | • | Visions Of Angels | | • | Stagnation | | • | Dusk | | • | The Knife |
Disc 2
| • | Trespass in 5.1 DTS and 5.1 Dolby Surround | | • | Trespass Reissue interview with the band |
Disc 3
| • | The Musical Box | | • | For Absent Friends | | • | The Return Of The Giant Hogweed | | • | Seven Stones | | • | Harold The Barrel | | • | Harlequin | | • | The Fountain Of Salmacis |
Disc 4
| • | Nursery Cryme in 5.1 DTS and 5.1 Dolby Surround | | • | Nursery Cryme reissue interview with the band |
Disc 5
| • | Watcher Of The Skies | | • | Time Table | | • | Get 'Em Out By Friday | | • | Can-Utility And The Coastliners | | • | Horizon's | | • | Supper's Ready |
Disc 6
| • | Foxtrot in 5.1 DTS and 5.1 Dolby Surround | | • | Foxtrot reissue interview with the band | | • | Belgium-Rock Of The '70s(1972) | | • | Italy-Piper Club(1972) |
Disc 7
| • | Dancing With The Moonlight Knight | | • | I Know What I Like(In Your Wardrobe) | | • | Firth Of Fifth | | • | More Fool Me | | • | The Battle Of Epping Forest | | • | After The Ordeal | | • | The Cinema Show | | • | Aisle Of Plenty |
Disc 8
| • | Selling England By The Pound in 5.1 DTS and 5.1 Dolby Surround | | • | Selling England By The Pound reissue interview with the band | | • | Shepperton Studios, Italian TV(1973) | | • | Batacian, France(1973) |
Disc 9
| • | The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway | | • | Fly On A Windshield | | • | Broadway Melody Of | | • | Cuckoo Cocoon | | • | In The Cage | | • | The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging | | • | Back in NYC | | • | Hairless Heart | | • | Counting Out Time | | • | Carpet Crawlers | | • | The Chamber Of 32 Doors |
Disc 10
| • | Lilywhite Lilith | | • | The Waiting Room | | • | Anyway | | • | Here Comes The Supernatural Anaesthetist | | • | The Lamia | | • | Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats | | • | The Colony Of Slippermen(The Arrival/A Visit To The Doktor/Raven) | | • | Ravine | | • | The Light Dies Down On Broadway | | • | Riding The Scree | | • | In The Rapids | | • | It |
Disc 11
| • | The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway in 5.1 DTS and 5.1 Dolby Surround | | • | The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway reissue video with the band | | • | Melody-French TV(1974) |
Disc 12
| • | Happy The Man | | • | Twilight Alehouse | | • | Going Out To Get You(Demo) | | • | Sheperd(BBC Nightride 1970) | | • | Pacidy(BBC Nightride 1970) | | • | Let Us Now Make Love(BBC Nightride 1970) | | • | Provocation(Genesis Plays Jackson) | | • | Frustration(Genesis Plays Jackson) | | • | Manipulation(Genesis Plays Jackson) | | • | Resignation(Genesis Plays Jackson) |
Disc 13
| • | Extras 1970-1975 in 5.1 DTS and 5.1 Dolby Surround | | • | Extras 1970-1975 reissue interview with the band | | • | Box Set 1967-1975(VH1 Special) | | • | Watcher Of The Skies-Midnight Special(1973) | | • | The Musical Box-Midnight Special(1973) |
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Product Description
Rhino completes its upgrade of Genesis' catalog with a third and final 7 CD/6 DVD box spotlighting the beginning of their career with CD/DVD editions of five albums expanded with bonus audio & video, 5.1 mixes and more, plus an exclusive rarities disc. Included are CD/DVD versions of Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, plus a disc of extras.
Album Description
Limited edition six 200gm vinyl LP box set containing the five studio albums this British Prog band released between 1970-75 (The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is a double LP set). The vinyl (in heavyweight cardboard sleeves) comes housed in an open ended slip case/box . Includes Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. EMI.
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| Customer Reviews: Read 47 more reviews...
 5 Stars For The Music - 1 Star For Sound Quality November 19, 2008
J. Carney
41 out of 61 found this review helpful
I stand with jaw open as to how people can listen to Genesis in this fashion. I had hoped this box might be treated with a more "audiophile" approach after all of the complaints about the previous two, but clearly such was not to be the case.
I can only presume that some people have been listening to "remastered" CDs for so long now that they have lost complete touch with things like midrange, drums that don't sound like tin cans, and dynamics that haven't been sacrificed. I envy those who do not hear what all of this EQing and compression has done to this set. I truly do. But to me, right from the moment I put on Trespass, Mayhew's cymbals sounded like somebody hitting a can with a spoon right next to my head. Yeah, more "clarity," but at what cost? The hi-hat on Trespass now sounds like pure tin. Drums don't sound like that no matter how loud they get. That's just massive EQ tweaking and compression gone wrong. Even Gabriel's voice is somewhat grating because of all of the EQ. The whole signal just pumps and sounds kind of sterile.
The EQing on these varies, and won't always be as "bright" as what I described above, but the compression remains pretty consistent, and is a sonic disaster for any but the fan who buys music he enjoys again and again and is content with hearing new "detail" as opposed to being concerned with the warmth and "feel" of the entire signal.
If one is so inclined to look at this stuff in a more scientific fashion to see what was done, you'll see that many peaks are just gone. I saw a comparison where the original 80s CD of Selling England was displayed next to this new mastering, and I kid you not, it was noted that on "Cinema Show," the dynamics are about *half* of what they were. This is ridiculous.
It doesn't take a "purist" to find that these sound bizarre. Heck, I used to think people who said this type of sound makes you "feel a bit weird" or "causes ear fatigue" were New Age wackos, but I've come to understand that when music is squashed with compression like this it actually makes you feel a bit dizzy in the head just listening to it. How anyone could get through these entire albums without their ears feeling exhausted is something which simply eludes me.
Some people will look at the waveforms of these with software and think they've seen worse, but this is compression that was obviously done on individual tracks and in the mixing process and you'll really need to compare with early CD versions to see how much has been sacrificed in order to make these sound "pumped up" or "modern" or whatever the goal was here. Sure, when these were mastered, they cranked it up some more, but it's the whole thing being pummeled with compression in the *mixing* process that is obvious and creates this sound.
Now, if one wants the 5.1 mixes, I suppose this set might be interesting, but for stereo, original Charisma vinyl makes this stuff sound laughably bad. It is just unfathomable that anyone could have ever bothered to A/B these mixes with the originals at the same volume and think this could actually be pitched as an "improvement." That is comical. To my ears, these should be called the Genesis "demasters" or "demixes."
I guess Davis apparently learned his lesson from using no-noise to lessen hiss on the "Definitive Editions," so thankfully that is one thing that is not evident. The breath is in the signals here, and I hear plenty of tape hiss, but the EQing and compression is not to be believed.
If you have no ability to play vinyl or generally prefer the CD medium, do some googling for something like "Genesis best CD versions" and you'll find that many Genesis freaks have been hunting down the old Virgin/Charisma CDs for Trespass, Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot. These may not be perfect sounding, but don't let the cheap packaging fool you. Sonically, those babies trounce this nonsense. For Selling England and The Lamb, the early Virgin/Charisma CDs are great but the Atlantic CD of Selling England and the Atco CD of Lamb are also the same mastering and equally superior to this approach. Not the case with the earlier stuff. There, you need the early Virgin/Charisma CDs with those stupid "cropped" covers. The Atlantics (or MCA for Trespass) aren't as good. Of course, even the no-noised and overly EQd "Definitive Editions" from 1994 are better than this, but real fans should do some research as many fans are out there trying to do comparisons and figure the Genesis catalog out on CD. The 80s CDs have compared most favorably but you need the right ones, because some of them were just garbage of a different kind. In recent comparisons, I have found that decent vinyl pressings of these albums crush any CD, but I kid you not, if you A/B some of those decent sounding 80s/early 90s pressings with this garbage and actually level match them so that they are the same volume, you'll see that this is ultimately just grating on the ears.
Ironically, I'd be glad to rebuy this music despite owning it in numerous formats, live versions, etc... but only if the original recordings were treated with *some* type of TLC and restraint. Not just put through a chain of tools and worked over like meat through a grinder. And I don't think it sounds "better" just because I am told or most people believe that "technology has improved so much" and blah blah blah. These mixes were works of art. They were intimate one minute and bombastic the next. Genesis was in your room and then blasting mellotron from the Moon all within a single piece of music. That feeling is gone. It has been disregarded in favor of mixes like "Mama." I thought "Mama" was breathtaking, innovative and brilliant for its time, but I don't need to hear "Can Utility and the Coastliners" mixed to sound like "Mama."
Metaphorically, maybe Banks thought his keyboard rig in the 80s sounded as organic and powerful as his rig in the 70s because he was adopting the technology of the time. But while that technology may have been of its time and accepted by most keyboardists as "improved," in my view, it wasn't improved. In fact, I suspect that many would agree it wasn't nearly as good! Same thing here, folks. I'm sad to report this because this music means so much to me that I wanted this set to be different. Unfortunately, it's along the lines of the previous sets. Read all the glowing reviews you like, but at least try to find those that have some descriptions of tonality and actual comparisons. Those are perfectly valid as this is all subjective, but when reading fascinating insights like "Nursery Cryme sounds better than I *remember* it sounding so buy this now" and similar diatribes, just remember that those aren't actual comparisons. Instead, they are just reviews from people who, for whatever reason, want to believe that they have made a good investment or support anything the band does.
 Better sound but different..... November 12, 2008
F. Reim (Somerdale, NJ)
27 out of 31 found this review helpful
There is a lot to like about this box set. The videos are great. Overall, the sound is improved but at a cost. Whenever, there is a remix, there usually is a departure from the original soundscape of what the artists intended. For instance, the organ in the "You stand there with your fixed expression" section of The Musical Box is now mixed way down and Gabriel's voice is the only prominent instrument. I feel some of the power in the piece has been lost due to the choice of remix levels. In some cases, instruments once heard in the mix are now almost inaudible. Were members of Genesis involved with the remix? Regardless, it is a treat to hear these masterpieces of prog in somewhat better sound however, I will not give up my recordings with the original mixes.
I am sure most reviewers will say the new mixes are better because there are instruments they never heard before that are now clearer. The reason for that is now the mixes are different and not necessarily from improved sound. Regardless, I will still listen to the new remixes and delight in them like everyone else. I just wish that the mix levels were closer to the original productions.
 The Musical Box, Part III November 24, 2008
Alan Caylow (USA)
26 out of 27 found this review helpful
So, we finally come to it at last: the third & final Genesis box set in the band's box set trilogy. And this time, we're going all the way back to the band's beginning! "Genesis 1970-1975" is the Peter Gabriel era, the early days of the band when Phil Collins stayed behind the drumkit (or, in the case of "Trespass," wasn't even in the band yet), and Peter Gabriel was the frontman, dressing up in all of his wild, wacky costumes. Five albums included here: "Trespass," "Nursery Cryme," "Foxtrot," "Selling England By The Pound," and "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway," all remastered and remixed by producer Nick Davis, with lots of fantastic early concert footage, and insightful interviews with the various bandmembers, recorded in 2007 (NOTE: the group's 1969 debut album, "From Genesis To Revelation," is not included in the box set for legal reasons). The box set also comes with an exclusive bonus disc of rare tracks and exclusive footage, and a handsome 42-page booklet. All five Genesis albums featured here are 5-star classics in my book, and the sound quality and remixing on all of them is nothing short of superb (thank you, Nick Davis!). Like the two Genesis box sets before it, Davis has once again brought the vocals more up front, as well as some of the instrumentation, so you can now hear notes & passages played & sung that were previously buried. "The Lamb," in particular, is a whole new album! I heard stuff on this new version of "The Lamb" that I've *never* heard before (there's even a few more seconds added to Steve Hackett's mystic strumming on "Fly On A Windshield"---I never knew the track had been edited!). The bonus disc of rarities is a real treat---most of these rare cuts have already been issued on the "Genesis Archive 1967-1975" box set, and they're all fabulous (including the phenomenal "Twilight Alehouse"), but the main attraction here is the previously-unreleased 15-minute tape called "Genesis Plays Jackson," a never-finished soundtrack the band recorded for an aborted BBC documentary about the painter Michael Jackson, and the band would later raid some of this material for "Trespass," "Nursery Cryme," and "The Lamb." It is *very* fascinating stuff to hear. And the video content on this box set is sensational, with lots of amazing vintage concert footage of Peter & the boys in action, including the priceless, rare 1973 concert film shot on the "Selling England" tour (it's about an hour long), and equally-priceless TV performances recorded in 1971, '73 and '74. And listen to this: while there is no "proper" footage included from "The Lamb" tour---regretfully, the band never filmed the "Lamb" show in it's entirety---the 5.1 DVD of "The Lamb" offers an outstanding, visual reconstruction of the concert, including the band's original slides from the show, bootleg footage, and photos. It is absolutely breathtaking to watch, and probably the closest we'll ever get to an actual film of Genesis performing "The Lamb" themselves. And the 2007 interviews with all the guys are terrific, very informative and insightful. The *only* debit I can think of about "1970-1975" is the unfortunate omission of "From Genesis To Revelation," but I won't deduct any stars from my rating for it. Besides, "From Genesis To Revelation" IS available if you want it. It's not the greatest album Genesis ever made, but it's very good and you should still get it, AND you can complete your Genesis studio-album collection with it, too. I'm thrilled beyond words---my all-time favorite band have finally been honored in a huge, huge way with these three box sets. Pick up "Genesis 1970-1975" right now, and, as Peter Gabriel sang on "Cinema Show," take a little trip back with Father Tiresias. Thank you, and long live Genesis!
Supper's ready...and so is breakfast , lunch and a substantial midnight snack ! November 12, 2008
Jim Z
16 out of 18 found this review helpful
This was the box I was most waiting for. My love affair with Genesis started with P.G's incarnation , and although I own (and truly treasure) the other two boxes ; this is the one I have been waiting for!!!
Phenomenal reproductions ! The 5.1 mixes are astonishing , and even just the stereo remixes pleasure the listener with sounds never heard before. And these are recordings I have heard at least 100's of times over the last 35 + years !
The DVD extras are nice. they round out the collection well. But in the grand scheme of things , early PG Genesis was about the musical imagery happening in your mind. For that alone , this box set offers and delivers it all!
Here's hoping Rhino puts out one more with all the Genesis Live discs. "Live" , "Seconds Out" , "Three Sides Live" , "The Shorts" , and "The Longs" could all benefit from an upgrade . And what lurks in the vaults from these live releases?????? Maybe time will tell
For now : Brush back your hair ; I want to get to know your flesh !
Say Goodbye to the Beauty of Genesis' Music November 24, 2008
Jonathan P. Christensen
15 out of 26 found this review helpful
Jeff Carney's review hits the nail on the head. The music of Genesis golden era has been compressed down to appease the iPod generation. There are literally no dynamics left in this music...and just because they didn't use brickwall limiting to push the level to the ceiling (this time) does not mean it wasn't compressed to death along the way. A signal can still be compressed without it's makeup gain being cranked up. There are no peaks and valleys left in the waveforms. It's all basically the same volume! That's why you hear all those little nuances you couldn't hear before. But you know what....that is nothing like real, live music! It's fake. It's processed. It's fast food. Without dynamics, it's unexciting, unmusical and just plain boring. If you like these simply because they're *louder*...try finding the original versions Jeff speaks of and turning your stereo UP. There's a concept. Once you hear what excitement and realism, dynamics in music brings...you'll be using these as coasters.
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